1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:03,720 Subs created by: David Coleman. 2 00:00:05,145 --> 00:00:07,468 It's an old home with a lot of history. 3 00:00:07,469 --> 00:00:10,837 I just see a lot of dead bodies all over the place. 4 00:00:10,838 --> 00:00:13,424 It was like terror just kind of took over my body. 5 00:00:13,425 --> 00:00:14,895 Whoa. (Bleep) 6 00:00:14,896 --> 00:00:18,366 I got, like, pushed out, and it scared me. 7 00:00:18,367 --> 00:00:21,625 I was pretty skeptical, but not now, not after that experience. 8 00:00:21,626 --> 00:00:24,797 I'm scared to death of what may happen next. 9 00:00:24,798 --> 00:00:29,433 She's a bad girl. Like, she likes to scare people. 10 00:00:29,434 --> 00:00:30,833 Men lost their lives. 11 00:00:30,834 --> 00:00:32,878 Some of them were literally incinerated. 12 00:00:32,879 --> 00:00:34,503 Oh, it was a terrible way to go. 13 00:00:34,504 --> 00:00:37,564 His head was cracked. 14 00:00:39,436 --> 00:00:41,322 There's something down there. 15 00:00:41,323 --> 00:00:44,563 My name.. Is Amy Allan. 16 00:00:45,424 --> 00:00:47,627 A lot of dead people are here. 17 00:00:47,628 --> 00:00:48,849 I see dead people. 18 00:00:48,850 --> 00:00:50,505 This is not good. 19 00:00:50,506 --> 00:00:54,283 I speak to dead people.. He is very pissed off. 20 00:00:54,284 --> 00:00:55,713 And they speak to me. 21 00:00:55,714 --> 00:00:57,143 The house is angry. 22 00:00:57,144 --> 00:01:00,631 But there's only way to know if my findings are real. 23 00:01:00,632 --> 00:01:02,382 He's killed people. 24 00:01:02,383 --> 00:01:03,798 I rely on my partner. 25 00:01:03,799 --> 00:01:05,113 I'm Steve Dischiavi. 26 00:01:05,114 --> 00:01:07,236 I'm a retired New York City homicide Detective. 27 00:01:07,237 --> 00:01:08,755 He got shot at his house? 28 00:01:08,756 --> 00:01:11,741 And I know every person, every house has secrets. 29 00:01:11,742 --> 00:01:13,168 Aren't you terrified, being here? 30 00:01:13,169 --> 00:01:14,417 It's my job to reveal 'em. 31 00:01:14,418 --> 00:01:16,611 That sounds like something out of "The Exorcist." 32 00:01:16,612 --> 00:01:18,715 But Steve and I never speak.. 33 00:01:18,716 --> 00:01:20,638 We never communicate during an investigation.. 34 00:01:20,639 --> 00:01:23,312 Until the very end.. It's bad. 35 00:01:23,313 --> 00:01:25,447 When we uncover if it's safe for you to stay.. 36 00:01:25,448 --> 00:01:26,782 I'd like some answers. 37 00:01:26,783 --> 00:01:29,783 Or time to get out. 38 00:01:55,161 --> 00:01:58,633 Amy and I never cross paths during our investigations. 39 00:01:58,634 --> 00:02:02,885 I dig into the property's history, uncovering secrets from its past. 40 00:02:02,886 --> 00:02:06,425 After we're done, we meet with our clients and give them answers. 41 00:02:06,426 --> 00:02:11,886 But we never know if we'll deliver good news or bad. 42 00:02:20,385 --> 00:02:24,885 Population.. 856, and that's including me. 43 00:02:27,326 --> 00:02:30,714 A woman named Debbie called us in because of some disturbing things happening 44 00:02:30,715 --> 00:02:33,912 at the Mackay Mansion, where she works. 45 00:02:33,913 --> 00:02:36,210 This mansion's been turned into a museum, 46 00:02:36,211 --> 00:02:39,714 and several visitors have run out of there completely terrified. 47 00:02:39,715 --> 00:02:42,939 Debbie thinks she may be crazy for sticking around. 48 00:02:42,940 --> 00:02:48,840 She's pretty shaken up, and she's hoping we can find her some answers. 49 00:02:57,675 --> 00:02:59,356 Before Amy enters a location, 50 00:02:59,357 --> 00:03:03,538 I clear it of anything that could be leading information. 51 00:03:03,539 --> 00:03:06,815 This museum has a lot of photographs. 52 00:03:06,816 --> 00:03:10,160 So it's important that I remove them all.. 53 00:03:10,161 --> 00:03:14,601 To avoid influencing Amy during her walk. 54 00:03:28,054 --> 00:03:30,754 There's a fire. 55 00:03:31,153 --> 00:03:33,913 Somebody help me. 56 00:03:46,576 --> 00:03:48,496 Okay. 57 00:03:48,623 --> 00:03:51,651 There's a lot of dead people here. 58 00:03:51,652 --> 00:03:57,052 So I'd say that this town is pretty freaking active. 59 00:03:57,457 --> 00:04:00,995 As soon as I arrived, dozens of dead people surrounded me, 60 00:04:00,996 --> 00:04:04,467 all wanting to share their stories. 61 00:04:04,468 --> 00:04:09,868 I just see a lot of dead bodies all over the place. 62 00:04:12,166 --> 00:04:14,926 It's really bad. 63 00:04:28,852 --> 00:04:32,543 So, Debbie, what's going on here that you needed to call us in? 64 00:04:32,544 --> 00:04:37,176 Well, I'm a tour guide, and we seem to be having some unusual activity 65 00:04:37,177 --> 00:04:38,289 happening here. 66 00:04:38,290 --> 00:04:41,280 And it's getting more and more frequent. 67 00:04:41,281 --> 00:04:44,517 We're hearing things, we're seeing things, object are moving, 68 00:04:44,518 --> 00:04:47,818 and it really scares me. 69 00:04:51,114 --> 00:04:53,412 What exactly is the Mackay Mansion? 70 00:04:53,413 --> 00:04:59,313 Well, the Mackay Mansion was where John Mackay had his mining office. 71 00:04:59,475 --> 00:05:04,647 He made quite a bit of money up here during his day. 72 00:05:04,648 --> 00:05:07,583 And this was where all his businesses took place. 73 00:05:07,584 --> 00:05:10,177 - And now it's a museum. - Yes. 74 00:05:10,178 --> 00:05:11,804 Why are you staying? 75 00:05:11,805 --> 00:05:13,436 I love this too much. 76 00:05:13,437 --> 00:05:16,503 And how often in life do you find a job that you love to do? 77 00:05:16,504 --> 00:05:18,232 Are you concerned for your safety? 78 00:05:18,233 --> 00:05:22,873 Yeah, because I don't know who or what it may be, what it wants, and.. 79 00:05:22,874 --> 00:05:25,164 And it just makes you feel like it.. 80 00:05:25,165 --> 00:05:29,245 What it wants isn't gonna be good. 81 00:05:33,019 --> 00:05:35,599 Wait a minute. 82 00:05:39,520 --> 00:05:42,435 There's a little girl.. 83 00:05:42,436 --> 00:05:45,856 Who runs around the place. 84 00:05:47,879 --> 00:05:53,613 She's got long brown hair, it's curled and put up with a bow, 85 00:05:53,614 --> 00:05:57,334 brown eyes, chubby little face. 86 00:05:57,931 --> 00:06:03,271 I want to say like 7, but, uh, she's got problems. 87 00:06:11,190 --> 00:06:13,864 So, Debbie, what's going on in here? 88 00:06:13,865 --> 00:06:19,765 Well, a lot of people have reported seeing the spirit of a little girl up here. 89 00:06:20,807 --> 00:06:22,326 So one night, some friends and I 90 00:06:22,327 --> 00:06:25,144 decided to come in here and make contact with her, 91 00:06:25,145 --> 00:06:28,065 let her know that we know she's here. 92 00:06:28,066 --> 00:06:29,804 I just kind of said, "you know, if you're here," 93 00:06:29,805 --> 00:06:32,202 "can you give us some kind of sign?" 94 00:06:32,203 --> 00:06:36,627 And this toy box right here, the lid, all of a sudden comes falling down. 95 00:06:36,628 --> 00:06:40,334 This blanket that's right here starts going up and over 96 00:06:40,335 --> 00:06:42,469 this guy's shoulder, all on its own. 97 00:06:42,470 --> 00:06:45,940 He's sitting right in front of the toy box. 98 00:06:45,941 --> 00:06:46,975 I mean, this is heavy. 99 00:06:46,976 --> 00:06:48,054 It is. 100 00:06:48,055 --> 00:06:49,172 And this got pulled up? 101 00:06:49,173 --> 00:06:52,893 The blanket started coming out. 102 00:06:54,273 --> 00:06:56,471 I don't know. I think I would've been outta here in a New York minute. 103 00:06:56,472 --> 00:07:00,363 I don't think I would've stuck around. 104 00:07:00,364 --> 00:07:03,211 The little girl's running around, laughing. 105 00:07:03,212 --> 00:07:04,752 "Ha ha." 106 00:07:04,753 --> 00:07:06,588 "Hee hee hee hee hee." 107 00:07:06,589 --> 00:07:09,387 She likes to jump on things. 108 00:07:09,388 --> 00:07:12,401 She likes to hide in things. 109 00:07:12,402 --> 00:07:15,582 She's a little rascal. 110 00:07:17,259 --> 00:07:21,279 People would get nervous from this. 111 00:07:24,801 --> 00:07:27,687 So do people experience her doing things? 112 00:07:27,688 --> 00:07:30,867 I would think that they would. 113 00:07:30,868 --> 00:07:36,084 If you're in bed, you might feel her, like, crawl on the bed. 114 00:07:36,085 --> 00:07:38,702 She's in the wardrobe, and you hear little.. 115 00:07:38,703 --> 00:07:42,663 Tick.. Tick.. Tick.. Tick.. Tick.. 116 00:07:43,769 --> 00:07:46,109 She's bad. 117 00:07:54,291 --> 00:07:56,845 So, Debbie, what have you experienced down here? 118 00:07:56,846 --> 00:07:58,612 I was on a tour, and all of a sudden, 119 00:07:58,613 --> 00:08:02,474 this shadowy figure just appeared by the gazebo. 120 00:08:02,475 --> 00:08:03,373 And.. 121 00:08:03,374 --> 00:08:06,328 It had, like, these glowing eyes. 122 00:08:06,329 --> 00:08:10,573 It was like terror just kind of took over my body, and I.. I couldn't move. 123 00:08:10,574 --> 00:08:12,209 Now have you seen him close? 124 00:08:12,210 --> 00:08:14,046 Yes. 125 00:08:14,047 --> 00:08:19,947 Every time it's been seen now, it's coming closer and closer to the house. 126 00:08:28,124 --> 00:08:30,557 Oh, there's a big old guy.. 127 00:08:30,558 --> 00:08:33,498 A pretty tall dude. 128 00:08:35,563 --> 00:08:41,443 Uh, you know, he likes to kinda freak people out, you know? 129 00:08:41,457 --> 00:08:44,871 I'm seeing a large dead man moving within the shadows. 130 00:08:44,872 --> 00:08:48,513 It feels like he's stalking me, like he's waiting to attack, 131 00:08:48,514 --> 00:08:54,214 and I know I'm not the first person he's done this to. 132 00:08:55,747 --> 00:08:57,951 Big guy is not so nice. 133 00:08:57,952 --> 00:08:59,360 Like, evil. 134 00:08:59,361 --> 00:09:02,907 Probably just looks like a big, dark, scary thing. 135 00:09:02,908 --> 00:09:07,348 He works really hard at.. At being seen. 136 00:09:07,410 --> 00:09:09,363 I don't like this place. 137 00:09:09,364 --> 00:09:12,484 I don't like it all. 138 00:09:19,929 --> 00:09:23,091 There's a big old guy.. 139 00:09:23,092 --> 00:09:27,781 Which probably just looks like a big, dark scary thing, maybe, to most people. 140 00:09:27,782 --> 00:09:32,162 He likes to freak people out, you know? 141 00:09:33,243 --> 00:09:35,085 Debbie's told me all about the bizarre things 142 00:09:35,086 --> 00:09:37,378 that she's been seeing at the Mackay Mansion. 143 00:09:37,379 --> 00:09:40,893 But I can't hang the entire case on a single eyewitness. 144 00:09:40,894 --> 00:09:44,535 So I'm going to meet with a woman who allegedly had a terrifying experience 145 00:09:44,536 --> 00:09:48,616 while taking a tour at the mansion. 146 00:09:54,234 --> 00:09:56,509 So, Valerie, when did you take the tour here? 147 00:09:56,510 --> 00:09:58,707 I took the tour six months ago. 148 00:09:58,708 --> 00:09:59,894 What happened on the tour? 149 00:09:59,895 --> 00:10:03,863 We started to walk, and I was the last one in the back. 150 00:10:03,864 --> 00:10:09,204 All of a sudden, I hear what sounded like footsteps. 151 00:10:12,373 --> 00:10:16,402 And I just happened to glance over, and I saw this.. 152 00:10:16,403 --> 00:10:19,187 Tall shadow.. Man. 153 00:10:19,188 --> 00:10:21,828 And he stopped. 154 00:10:21,939 --> 00:10:26,769 Turned around and looked at me with these evil-looking, glowing eyes. 155 00:10:26,770 --> 00:10:29,355 Did he.. Did he say anything? Did you hear anything? 156 00:10:29,356 --> 00:10:30,701 He didn't say anything. 157 00:10:30,702 --> 00:10:35,082 He just glared me down with these eyes. 158 00:10:36,203 --> 00:10:39,335 Valerie, after this thing disappeared, what did you do? 159 00:10:39,336 --> 00:10:42,187 I dropped to my knees and started crying. 160 00:10:42,188 --> 00:10:45,444 I was very hysterical and very scared. 161 00:10:45,445 --> 00:10:47,138 I had nightmares. 162 00:10:47,139 --> 00:10:50,574 It made me wake up every hour.. 163 00:10:50,575 --> 00:10:53,956 Every night. And I couldn't sleep. 164 00:10:53,957 --> 00:10:56,589 I want to face my fears, but at the same time, 165 00:10:56,590 --> 00:10:59,917 I'm scared to death of what may happen next. 166 00:10:59,918 --> 00:11:03,098 What he might do next. 167 00:11:07,986 --> 00:11:10,110 - You okay? - Yeah. 168 00:11:10,111 --> 00:11:12,189 What's going on? 169 00:11:12,190 --> 00:11:15,430 I felt like a.. Impact. 170 00:11:15,513 --> 00:11:17,297 Somebody shoving, pushing. 171 00:11:17,298 --> 00:11:19,112 Okay. 172 00:11:19,113 --> 00:11:21,813 Something about.. 173 00:11:21,815 --> 00:11:24,084 The ground. 174 00:11:24,085 --> 00:11:28,165 Because it absorbed a lot of death. 175 00:11:31,872 --> 00:11:33,672 Mm. 176 00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:38,980 This is really, really bad. 177 00:11:43,282 --> 00:11:45,420 Both Debbie and Valerie have seen a shadow figure 178 00:11:45,421 --> 00:11:47,838 stalking the grounds of the Mackay Mansion. 179 00:11:47,839 --> 00:11:49,683 Now I'm on my way to speak with a third witness 180 00:11:49,684 --> 00:11:53,824 who says he had a similar encounter. 181 00:12:00,278 --> 00:12:02,399 So, Tom, when did you take Debbie's tour? 182 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:06,408 Uh, it was back in, uh, I would say November of 2009. 183 00:12:06,409 --> 00:12:08,117 Okay, what happened on that tour? 184 00:12:08,118 --> 00:12:10,765 Down by the gazebo there, I saw a shadow figure. 185 00:12:10,766 --> 00:12:14,538 So I kind of hung back, you know, seeing if I could see it again. 186 00:12:14,539 --> 00:12:17,229 And then all of a sudden, it felt like I was covered in lead. 187 00:12:17,230 --> 00:12:18,832 You know, just heavy, you know? 188 00:12:18,833 --> 00:12:22,133 And, um, trying to move, and I just couldn't. 189 00:12:22,134 --> 00:12:24,722 At that point, I was panicking pretty good. 190 00:12:24,723 --> 00:12:27,288 And I said to it, you know, "let me go," 191 00:12:27,289 --> 00:12:29,011 you know, "talk to me or let me go," 192 00:12:29,012 --> 00:12:33,707 and it was like a.. Like a light breeze, it just lifted off of me. 193 00:12:33,708 --> 00:12:37,737 So I was pretty skeptical, you know, then, but, uh, not now. 194 00:12:37,738 --> 00:12:41,098 Not after that experience. 195 00:12:48,927 --> 00:12:50,426 Whoa. (Bleep) 196 00:12:50,427 --> 00:12:52,467 (Bleep) 197 00:12:54,950 --> 00:12:56,525 What's wrong? 198 00:12:56,526 --> 00:12:59,826 I don't like that room. 199 00:13:04,718 --> 00:13:07,389 What's wrong with the room? 200 00:13:07,390 --> 00:13:10,870 It's, like, very dangerous. 201 00:13:12,878 --> 00:13:16,139 It was, like, I walked in, and it felt like.. 202 00:13:16,140 --> 00:13:18,791 I got, like, pushed out. 203 00:13:18,792 --> 00:13:21,316 And there was like this.. 204 00:13:21,317 --> 00:13:23,957 Wall of, like.. 205 00:13:23,973 --> 00:13:26,660 Like a wall of darkness. 206 00:13:26,661 --> 00:13:31,094 And then I just felt like I was being pushed out. 207 00:13:31,095 --> 00:13:33,915 And it scared me. 208 00:13:42,299 --> 00:13:46,297 I gotta start digging deeper into the Mackay Mansion's past. 209 00:13:46,298 --> 00:13:50,350 Especially about the man who built it, John Mackay. 210 00:13:50,351 --> 00:13:56,251 And in a town this small, the best place to start is with a local historian. 211 00:14:01,604 --> 00:14:04,363 As you know, I'm investigating the Mackay Mansion in Virginia City. 212 00:14:04,364 --> 00:14:05,102 Yes. 213 00:14:05,103 --> 00:14:07,939 What I don't know a lot about is Virginia City itself. 214 00:14:07,940 --> 00:14:11,794 By 1859, we had thousands of people coming in 215 00:14:11,795 --> 00:14:14,432 with this discovery of gold and silver. 216 00:14:14,433 --> 00:14:19,568 People from around the world were rushing over here to make their fortunes. 217 00:14:19,569 --> 00:14:20,986 Mining's dangerous today. 218 00:14:20,987 --> 00:14:22,326 How was it then? 219 00:14:22,327 --> 00:14:24,243 Were there any tragedies close to the Mackay Mansion? 220 00:14:24,244 --> 00:14:25,445 Um, there were. 221 00:14:25,446 --> 00:14:29,604 Um, the.. The way the.. The town is, all the mines are underneath. 222 00:14:29,605 --> 00:14:32,308 The worst one is the Yellowjacket Mine fire. 223 00:14:32,309 --> 00:14:34,889 That was 1868. 224 00:14:35,392 --> 00:14:39,842 The firemen were trying to save people, but because of the heat and the smoke, 225 00:14:39,843 --> 00:14:43,620 ultimately, had to, uh, close off the.. The mine shafts. 226 00:14:43,621 --> 00:14:46,861 38 people actually died. 227 00:14:48,530 --> 00:14:50,813 There's like 40 guys. 228 00:14:50,814 --> 00:14:53,932 They're in a group. They're.. They're panicked. 229 00:14:53,933 --> 00:14:56,159 Do you know why? 230 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,640 I think it's work related. 231 00:15:00,064 --> 00:15:01,832 What can you tell me about John Mackay? 232 00:15:01,833 --> 00:15:07,597 Well, he was an Irish immigrant who came to America in the early 1840s. 233 00:15:07,598 --> 00:15:13,377 Uh, he was broke and had to work in the mines at $4, um, a day, 234 00:15:13,378 --> 00:15:18,598 and became one of the wealthiest men in the world. 235 00:15:19,728 --> 00:15:21,726 What can you tell me about Mackay's family? 236 00:15:21,727 --> 00:15:26,467 His wife Louise, her first husband, he was a dentist, 237 00:15:26,468 --> 00:15:29,716 but by 1863, he died from an overdose. 238 00:15:29,717 --> 00:15:32,854 And so left her alone with a small daughter. 239 00:15:32,855 --> 00:15:34,290 So how'd she wind up with Mackay? 240 00:15:34,291 --> 00:15:36,604 His mining partner introduced 'em. 241 00:15:36,605 --> 00:15:39,209 Okay, and at some point, they must have lived in the mansion together? 242 00:15:39,210 --> 00:15:43,190 Yes, and he adopted her, uh, 4- or 5-year-old daughter that, um, 243 00:15:43,191 --> 00:15:44,305 had a disability. 244 00:15:44,306 --> 00:15:46,751 She had to wear braces on her legs. 245 00:15:46,752 --> 00:15:52,572 Um, but he was wonderful and.. And treated her as his own. 246 00:15:53,207 --> 00:15:55,145 There's a little girl. 247 00:15:55,146 --> 00:15:58,446 The same girl as before. 248 00:15:59,010 --> 00:16:01,086 She's a bad girl. 249 00:16:01,087 --> 00:16:04,395 Like, she likes to scare people. 250 00:16:04,396 --> 00:16:05,883 I guess she's just playing? 251 00:16:05,884 --> 00:16:07,914 Uh.. Yeah. 252 00:16:07,915 --> 00:16:13,815 I mean, she is just playing, but she's out of control, you know? 253 00:16:14,338 --> 00:16:18,358 She looks healthy, but she wasn't. 254 00:16:20,601 --> 00:16:23,122 So when she meets, uh, John Mackay, he's not wealthy. 255 00:16:23,123 --> 00:16:26,885 But she was accustomed to, I guess, a lifestyle of living with a Doctor. 256 00:16:26,886 --> 00:16:29,831 She definitely always felt that she deserved a.. 257 00:16:29,832 --> 00:16:31,845 A decent, uh, lifestyle. 258 00:16:31,846 --> 00:16:33,931 She enjoyed the finer things. 259 00:16:33,932 --> 00:16:38,129 So she wanted to live in the big city and not in a remote mining town. 260 00:16:38,130 --> 00:16:39,551 - Yes. - You know, what you're telling me, 261 00:16:39,552 --> 00:16:41,943 I'm curious, what kind of a marriage did they have? 262 00:16:41,944 --> 00:16:43,629 They wanted different things. 263 00:16:43,630 --> 00:16:45,904 He was a miner, and you can tell that he loved her, 264 00:16:45,905 --> 00:16:49,057 but she just felt that this was not the town to be in. 265 00:16:49,058 --> 00:16:52,958 So she decided to move to Paris. 266 00:16:54,144 --> 00:16:56,127 Lots of yelling here. 267 00:16:56,128 --> 00:16:57,753 A lot of yelling. 268 00:16:57,754 --> 00:17:02,434 And it's between a woman and a man mostly. 269 00:17:03,555 --> 00:17:04,639 What about the man? 270 00:17:04,640 --> 00:17:07,840 What is his relationship to her? 271 00:17:07,841 --> 00:17:10,541 They're married. 272 00:17:14,861 --> 00:17:17,436 A lot of hatred. 273 00:17:17,437 --> 00:17:20,462 She leaves a lot, traveling. 274 00:17:20,463 --> 00:17:22,052 She's a nasty.. 275 00:17:22,053 --> 00:17:25,533 She's a nasty, nasty lady. 276 00:17:27,189 --> 00:17:30,347 There is a cruel woman who will not leave me alone. 277 00:17:30,348 --> 00:17:33,009 She keeps appearing in front of me trying to bully me, 278 00:17:33,010 --> 00:17:36,730 and I can tell she enjoys it. 279 00:17:37,542 --> 00:17:39,686 She's, like.. 280 00:17:39,687 --> 00:17:41,847 Laughing. 281 00:17:42,185 --> 00:17:44,585 She's cold. 282 00:17:45,542 --> 00:17:48,664 Physically, like, just.. She's right here. 283 00:17:48,665 --> 00:17:49,465 . 284 00:17:55,450 --> 00:18:00,511 The second I say I don't like this nasty woman, she gives me an icy touch. 285 00:18:00,512 --> 00:18:04,217 I think she does this to living people in the house, too. 286 00:18:04,218 --> 00:18:07,038 She's destructive. 287 00:18:07,954 --> 00:18:09,564 I don't like her. 288 00:18:09,565 --> 00:18:12,085 She's creepy. 289 00:18:12,527 --> 00:18:14,858 She doesn't have a soul. 290 00:18:14,859 --> 00:18:17,319 She's empty. 291 00:18:18,838 --> 00:18:22,283 This whole town is connected by 600 miles of underground tunnels 292 00:18:22,284 --> 00:18:25,689 where thousands of miners died horrible deaths. 293 00:18:25,690 --> 00:18:26,949 So I'm headed over to meet a guy 294 00:18:26,950 --> 00:18:30,254 who knows the mining history in this town inside and out. 295 00:18:30,255 --> 00:18:34,155 There could be a connection here. 296 00:18:38,066 --> 00:18:41,395 So, Ron, I was talking to a local historian, and, uh, she mentioned that 297 00:18:41,396 --> 00:18:44,127 there was a lot of mining disasters here. 298 00:18:44,128 --> 00:18:45,840 Mining was extremely dangerous. 299 00:18:45,841 --> 00:18:50,722 You were working down as deep as 3,200 or 3,300 feet below the ground. 300 00:18:50,723 --> 00:18:55,283 And in many cases, 135-degree temperatures. 301 00:18:55,684 --> 00:19:00,113 I was wondering, were any of those disasters close to the Mackay Mansion? 302 00:19:00,114 --> 00:19:04,706 Yes. One about, uh, 100 yards from the Mackay Mansion. 303 00:19:04,707 --> 00:19:06,095 You've got the Gould Curry shaft. 304 00:19:06,096 --> 00:19:07,758 A fire broke out, and.. 305 00:19:07,759 --> 00:19:09,278 Eleven.. 306 00:19:09,279 --> 00:19:11,143 Men lost their lives. 307 00:19:11,144 --> 00:19:13,483 Some of them were literally incinerated. 308 00:19:13,484 --> 00:19:15,036 What caused the fire? 309 00:19:15,037 --> 00:19:17,133 They never determined that. 310 00:19:17,134 --> 00:19:20,882 The air went very quickly, and they probably died within a matter of hours. 311 00:19:20,883 --> 00:19:22,656 They simply died of suffocation. 312 00:19:22,657 --> 00:19:26,557 So it was a terrible way to go. 313 00:19:26,781 --> 00:19:29,502 Right here. This area. Under the ground. 314 00:19:29,503 --> 00:19:31,873 Something happened in that.. 315 00:19:31,874 --> 00:19:34,422 Something on this.. 316 00:19:34,423 --> 00:19:37,363 Ground was bad or.. 317 00:19:38,504 --> 00:19:41,264 Was worse before. 318 00:19:44,111 --> 00:19:46,975 It was worse. It was worse before. 319 00:19:46,976 --> 00:19:49,872 I just feel, like, a lot of death. 320 00:19:49,873 --> 00:19:54,853 And I also see a lot of bodies on the ground. 321 00:19:56,493 --> 00:19:59,338 Did you know anyone who died in these mining disasters? 322 00:19:59,339 --> 00:20:04,585 My great-grandfather died at 3,000-foot level in 1880.. 323 00:20:04,586 --> 00:20:05,837 And he was 29. 324 00:20:05,838 --> 00:20:07,147 Can I ask how he died? 325 00:20:07,148 --> 00:20:12,253 Something slipped off of the cage that hauled, uh, material up and down, 326 00:20:12,254 --> 00:20:15,725 and he was unfortunate enough to be at the bottom of that. 327 00:20:15,726 --> 00:20:20,132 It decapitated him, and it killed a couple of other fellas right at that time, 328 00:20:20,133 --> 00:20:22,036 and then another one died later. 329 00:20:22,037 --> 00:20:24,437 Oh, my God. 330 00:20:25,861 --> 00:20:29,881 One guy, he.. Had his head broken. 331 00:20:30,928 --> 00:20:31,693 Yuck. 332 00:20:31,694 --> 00:20:33,734 (Bleep) 333 00:20:34,530 --> 00:20:37,890 Uh, his head was cracked. 334 00:20:55,287 --> 00:20:58,022 There's, like, all these men. 335 00:20:58,023 --> 00:21:00,439 There's probably like 40 guys. 336 00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,500 They're all in pain. 337 00:21:09,141 --> 00:21:11,516 That's all I can get off of them. 338 00:21:11,517 --> 00:21:15,366 Because nobody's, uh, well enough.. 339 00:21:15,367 --> 00:21:17,527 To talk. 340 00:21:18,464 --> 00:21:20,209 These men are still in their death state, 341 00:21:20,210 --> 00:21:24,020 which means they're reliving their deaths over and over again. 342 00:21:24,021 --> 00:21:26,985 And they're in too much pain to communicate with me. 343 00:21:26,986 --> 00:21:29,386 I feel bad. 344 00:21:33,740 --> 00:21:36,278 With so many men dying in these underground mines, 345 00:21:36,279 --> 00:21:39,998 Virginia City might as well be built on a graveyard. 346 00:21:39,999 --> 00:21:41,765 But my witnesses aren't seeing men. 347 00:21:41,766 --> 00:21:45,411 They're seeing a young girl and a shadow figure. 348 00:21:45,412 --> 00:21:47,348 The girl could be Mackay's stepdaughter. 349 00:21:47,349 --> 00:21:51,009 But how do I I.D. a shadow? 350 00:21:51,858 --> 00:21:55,479 All I can do is keep finding deaths surrounding this place.. 351 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:59,740 And see if Amy can make sense of it. 352 00:22:12,271 --> 00:22:13,761 It turns out a pretty gruesome murder 353 00:22:13,762 --> 00:22:17,035 took place right next to the mansion in the 1800s. 354 00:22:17,036 --> 00:22:21,836 The victim.. A prostitute named Julia Bulette. 355 00:22:24,511 --> 00:22:27,929 This Julia Bulette homicide's got my attention. 356 00:22:27,930 --> 00:22:30,506 According to maps, her body was discovered in her home, 357 00:22:30,507 --> 00:22:33,407 not far from the Mackay Mansion. 358 00:22:33,408 --> 00:22:35,024 I'm headed over to talk to an historian 359 00:22:35,025 --> 00:22:37,159 who's been obsessed with this case for years. 360 00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:42,320 I'm hoping she can tell me exactly what happened. 361 00:22:55,442 --> 00:23:01,342 Julia Bulette was a prostitute that was murdered in January 20, 1867. 362 00:23:02,982 --> 00:23:08,382 She was a very well-loved and, uh, famous prostitute. 363 00:23:08,686 --> 00:23:10,472 The motive was robbery. 364 00:23:10,473 --> 00:23:14,197 All of her belongings, uh, were taken. 365 00:23:14,198 --> 00:23:16,653 Being that she was a high-end prostitute back in those days, 366 00:23:16,654 --> 00:23:20,708 would she have serviced men in her house or would she go to their home? 367 00:23:20,709 --> 00:23:22,988 She did service a lot of the men in her house.. 368 00:23:22,989 --> 00:23:24,496 Probably a lot of the miner men.. 369 00:23:24,497 --> 00:23:30,397 But she probably serviced, uh, many of the mine superintendents as well. 370 00:23:30,419 --> 00:23:33,486 I know the Mackay Mansion used to be a boarding house for superintendents 371 00:23:33,487 --> 00:23:35,374 before John Mackay bought it. 372 00:23:35,375 --> 00:23:38,719 And given Julia Bulette's popularity with the men in town, 373 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,837 I have no doubt that she had her own key. 374 00:23:41,838 --> 00:23:45,318 Yeah, that's very possible. 375 00:23:45,944 --> 00:23:47,897 How old was she at the time of her death? 376 00:23:47,898 --> 00:23:50,298 She was 34. 377 00:23:52,441 --> 00:23:55,579 There was a guy around here. 378 00:23:55,580 --> 00:23:57,656 He wanders around the town. 379 00:23:57,657 --> 00:24:01,077 He wanders around in here. 380 00:24:01,767 --> 00:24:04,887 He was killing ladies. 381 00:24:06,636 --> 00:24:09,827 This one lady he killed was.. 382 00:24:09,828 --> 00:24:11,557 30s, 40s. 383 00:24:11,558 --> 00:24:13,939 What do you know about the actual physical damage to her? 384 00:24:13,940 --> 00:24:17,519 She was found laying on her left side in the bed. 385 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:22,019 Um, and she had two, uh, blunt force traumas to the head. 386 00:24:22,020 --> 00:24:24,856 And then she had a pillow placed over her face. 387 00:24:24,857 --> 00:24:26,298 Was somebody arrested in this case? 388 00:24:26,299 --> 00:24:29,996 Yes. There was a gentleman named John Milleain who was arrested. 389 00:24:29,997 --> 00:24:31,326 Okay, was he a local? 390 00:24:31,327 --> 00:24:35,227 Um, no. He was a French drifter. 391 00:24:36,608 --> 00:24:39,118 He, like, didn't live here. 392 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,456 Uh, or anywhere around here. 393 00:24:41,457 --> 00:24:43,123 He'd travel all over. 394 00:24:43,124 --> 00:24:45,012 He was.. 395 00:24:45,013 --> 00:24:46,097 Like a roamer. 396 00:24:46,098 --> 00:24:48,618 He was crazy. 397 00:24:54,466 --> 00:24:55,887 Did Milleain ever go to trial? 398 00:24:55,888 --> 00:24:58,099 Yes. John Milleain, uh, did go to trial. 399 00:24:58,100 --> 00:24:59,897 The trial lasted only two days. 400 00:24:59,898 --> 00:25:01,447 Did he admit to it? 401 00:25:01,448 --> 00:25:05,111 He admitted to having been there at her property, 402 00:25:05,112 --> 00:25:07,321 uh, but claimed that he was with two other gentlemen 403 00:25:07,322 --> 00:25:08,770 who actually did the attack. 404 00:25:08,771 --> 00:25:09,662 Was he convicted? 405 00:25:09,663 --> 00:25:13,383 Yes, he was sentenced to hang. 406 00:25:14,738 --> 00:25:16,150 It was quite the spectacle. 407 00:25:16,151 --> 00:25:19,050 I would say the majority of the town turned out. 408 00:25:19,051 --> 00:25:22,725 There were two days in Virginia City's history that the bars were closed. 409 00:25:22,726 --> 00:25:24,316 One was the day of her funeral 410 00:25:24,317 --> 00:25:29,777 and the other was the day that her killer was hanged. 411 00:25:36,150 --> 00:25:38,305 I'm seeing a hanging around here. 412 00:25:38,306 --> 00:25:39,056 Okay. 413 00:25:39,057 --> 00:25:42,007 There's some wacko guy hanging.. 414 00:25:42,008 --> 00:25:44,438 Swinging in the breeze. 415 00:25:44,439 --> 00:25:45,904 Swinging in the breeze. 416 00:25:45,905 --> 00:25:47,500 What's he hanging from? 417 00:25:47,501 --> 00:25:49,612 A tree, I think. 418 00:25:49,613 --> 00:25:51,317 I don't know. 419 00:25:51,318 --> 00:25:55,638 It may be symbolic. It's psychic, so.. 420 00:25:55,715 --> 00:25:58,662 Images of a hanging are flashing through my mind. 421 00:25:58,663 --> 00:26:00,514 I'm seeing a picture of what happened here, 422 00:26:00,515 --> 00:26:04,346 and this execution had everyone's attention. 423 00:26:04,347 --> 00:26:07,587 Something about justice.. 424 00:26:08,014 --> 00:26:12,154 Like, I just see the word "justice." 425 00:26:26,313 --> 00:26:29,198 I came across a lot of dead people during my walk, 426 00:26:29,199 --> 00:26:33,137 but the nasty woman with the icy-cold touch is standing over me, 427 00:26:33,138 --> 00:26:38,080 and she's demanding that I sketch her the way she sees herself. 428 00:26:38,081 --> 00:26:40,136 She would be.. 429 00:26:40,137 --> 00:26:43,257 Mid 30s to early 40s. 430 00:26:47,315 --> 00:26:50,615 What shape was her face? 431 00:26:52,055 --> 00:26:54,126 Her face is round. 432 00:26:54,127 --> 00:26:56,422 She has very thin lips. 433 00:26:56,423 --> 00:27:01,158 Was the.. Lower lip as thin as the upper lip? 434 00:27:01,159 --> 00:27:06,019 It's a little bit larger than the upper lip. 435 00:27:07,546 --> 00:27:10,928 She is really angry, and she.. 436 00:27:10,929 --> 00:27:14,058 Wants to look a certain way. 437 00:27:14,059 --> 00:27:16,186 Her hair is dark. 438 00:27:16,187 --> 00:27:19,067 Eyelashes are dark. 439 00:27:22,343 --> 00:27:25,403 Is this who you saw? 440 00:27:25,867 --> 00:27:27,727 Yes. 441 00:27:51,776 --> 00:27:54,903 Over the last several days, Amy and I have been conducting 442 00:27:54,904 --> 00:27:57,854 completely separate investigations. 443 00:27:57,855 --> 00:28:03,315 Tonight will be the first time we reveal our findings. 444 00:28:03,693 --> 00:28:06,114 Debbie is the tour guide here. 445 00:28:06,115 --> 00:28:09,426 Uh, she loves this job and she doesn't want to leave it. 446 00:28:09,427 --> 00:28:13,579 But she's having some experiences that has her a little frightened. 447 00:28:13,580 --> 00:28:16,662 Valerie, uh, was actually.. Took a tour here, 448 00:28:16,663 --> 00:28:19,490 and during the tour, she was traumatized 449 00:28:19,491 --> 00:28:22,010 to the point where she didn't sleep for two weeks. 450 00:28:22,011 --> 00:28:24,222 She had nightmares. 451 00:28:24,223 --> 00:28:25,790 She needs answers. 452 00:28:25,791 --> 00:28:28,751 She wants to face her fears and find out what's going on here, 453 00:28:28,752 --> 00:28:31,345 so that's why they called us in. 454 00:28:31,346 --> 00:28:37,246 So with that being said, maybe Amy could tell us about her walk. 455 00:28:42,261 --> 00:28:47,598 I saw this crazy guy who was killing a lot of women. 456 00:28:47,599 --> 00:28:51,592 You know, he did all this.. Strangled these women, mutilated them. 457 00:28:51,593 --> 00:28:54,086 It wasn't just one.. One lady. 458 00:28:54,087 --> 00:28:56,300 He makes me feel sick. 459 00:28:56,301 --> 00:28:59,541 He was, like, a roamer. 460 00:28:59,818 --> 00:29:04,258 He was killing ladies and he was crazy. 461 00:29:10,673 --> 00:29:14,071 You know, Amy, that sounds a lot like the Julia Bulette case. 462 00:29:14,072 --> 00:29:17,397 Before John Mackay had lived here, this was the home for the superintendents. 463 00:29:17,398 --> 00:29:19,567 Most of the time, they didn't have their wives with them. 464 00:29:19,568 --> 00:29:22,758 So the chances of Julia Bulette, who was a prostitute 465 00:29:22,759 --> 00:29:24,375 literally a couple of blocks from here, 466 00:29:24,376 --> 00:29:27,127 servicing the men in this house is pretty good. 467 00:29:27,128 --> 00:29:30,488 Here's a picture of her. 468 00:29:30,733 --> 00:29:35,227 She was 34 when she was murdered, literally a couple of blocks from here, 469 00:29:35,228 --> 00:29:37,078 uh, by a drifter. 470 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:37,971 Wow. 471 00:29:37,972 --> 00:29:40,892 She was bludgeoned about the head, 472 00:29:40,893 --> 00:29:43,308 uh, blunt force trauma, and she was strangled to death. 473 00:29:43,309 --> 00:29:44,335 And when they found her, they had.. 474 00:29:44,336 --> 00:29:45,982 There was a pillow over her face also. 475 00:29:45,983 --> 00:29:49,402 So this guy John Milleain, who I have a photo of, when he murdered her, 476 00:29:49,403 --> 00:29:53,359 I guess he wanted to make sure she was dead. 477 00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,560 It wasn't the first time he did it. 478 00:29:58,455 --> 00:30:00,992 I also saw a hanging. 479 00:30:00,993 --> 00:30:02,853 Hmm. 480 00:30:03,617 --> 00:30:06,272 Hanging from a tree, like swaying. 481 00:30:06,273 --> 00:30:10,353 I did see the.. The word "justice." 482 00:30:10,557 --> 00:30:12,160 That makes sense. 483 00:30:12,161 --> 00:30:13,867 Totally makes sense. 484 00:30:13,868 --> 00:30:16,761 He was convicted in two days of her murder. 485 00:30:16,762 --> 00:30:21,322 But it took a year before he was hanged. 486 00:30:25,095 --> 00:30:29,987 What I saw was residual energy, like a piece of a movie replaying over and over. 487 00:30:29,988 --> 00:30:34,035 I saw a man killing women, but I couldn't make out his features. 488 00:30:34,036 --> 00:30:36,116 I also saw a hanging. 489 00:30:36,117 --> 00:30:39,305 So now this all makes sense. 490 00:30:39,306 --> 00:30:40,328 What else did you see? 491 00:30:40,329 --> 00:30:42,476 This woman.. 492 00:30:42,477 --> 00:30:44,577 Who was 493 00:30:44,585 --> 00:30:46,962 extremely angry. 494 00:30:46,963 --> 00:30:49,992 And she was yelling at her husband. 495 00:30:49,993 --> 00:30:53,100 Um, she apparently had.. 496 00:30:53,101 --> 00:30:57,343 Had a much better lifestyle before she moved here. 497 00:30:57,344 --> 00:30:58,737 And went with him. 498 00:30:58,738 --> 00:31:03,298 And she was missing that upscale lifestyle. 499 00:31:03,524 --> 00:31:06,017 And she was standing by me.. 500 00:31:06,018 --> 00:31:10,482 And she put her arm on my arm, and it was, like, ice cold. 501 00:31:10,483 --> 00:31:12,343 Ice. 502 00:31:14,132 --> 00:31:17,045 She's, like, destructive. Um.. 503 00:31:17,046 --> 00:31:19,735 I don't like her. 504 00:31:19,736 --> 00:31:20,914 She's right here. 505 00:31:20,915 --> 00:31:21,715 . 506 00:31:25,979 --> 00:31:27,233 Debbie, let me ask you a question, though. 507 00:31:27,234 --> 00:31:30,061 On the tours you do, has anybody ever described that to you? 508 00:31:30,062 --> 00:31:32,426 Oh, yeah. People all the time will say.. 509 00:31:32,427 --> 00:31:34,506 "You know, my God, it's so freezing cold right here," 510 00:31:34,507 --> 00:31:39,127 and they'll move one foot, and it's gone. 511 00:31:41,475 --> 00:31:44,620 She used to travel a lot. And.. 512 00:31:44,621 --> 00:31:47,365 She was just a nasty.. 513 00:31:47,366 --> 00:31:48,641 Nasty lady. 514 00:31:48,642 --> 00:31:51,664 I don't really like her. 515 00:31:51,665 --> 00:31:53,705 Mackay. 516 00:31:54,073 --> 00:31:57,159 The woman you describe sounds awfully like Louise Mackay, 517 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,769 the wife of John Mackay, who the mansion's named after. 518 00:31:59,770 --> 00:32:02,350 He lived here. 519 00:32:08,897 --> 00:32:10,344 He's an immigrant from Ireland. 520 00:32:10,345 --> 00:32:12,753 He came here, worked $4 a day as a miner, 521 00:32:12,754 --> 00:32:15,385 and later on became one of the richest men in America. 522 00:32:15,386 --> 00:32:19,499 And he married a woman named Louise. 523 00:32:19,500 --> 00:32:22,263 They lived here, but she hated Virginia City. 524 00:32:22,264 --> 00:32:24,518 She didn't like it. She felt she was above it. 525 00:32:24,519 --> 00:32:29,404 Uh, she came from a pretty upper-class, uh, background, 526 00:32:29,405 --> 00:32:30,779 and the marriage wasn't really much. 527 00:32:30,780 --> 00:32:32,889 I mean, she spent most of her time in Paris. 528 00:32:32,890 --> 00:32:36,205 Uh, so they didn't really have a great marriage. 529 00:32:36,206 --> 00:32:37,707 Uh.. 530 00:32:37,708 --> 00:32:41,147 Wh.. I see that look on your face. What is it? 531 00:32:41,148 --> 00:32:45,168 Um, well, actually, I sketched her. 532 00:32:49,029 --> 00:32:53,899 All I remember about the sketch is that she made me do her hair in this, like, 533 00:32:53,900 --> 00:32:59,468 ridiculous curly hairstyle that took forever for the artist to do. 534 00:32:59,469 --> 00:33:01,247 Wh.. What did you mean, she made you? 535 00:33:01,248 --> 00:33:03,408 She was throwing a fit. 536 00:33:03,409 --> 00:33:04,334 While you were doing the sketch? 537 00:33:04,335 --> 00:33:06,255 Yeah. 538 00:33:26,863 --> 00:33:30,103 You girls look at this. 539 00:33:33,795 --> 00:33:36,315 (Mouths words) 540 00:33:39,242 --> 00:33:42,062 Not a happy lady. 541 00:33:44,547 --> 00:33:46,499 That's pretty good. 542 00:33:46,500 --> 00:33:50,040 It has the same scowl look. 543 00:33:54,645 --> 00:34:00,132 She's got that same look, I mean, in the eyes, you know, just not.. Not happy. 544 00:34:00,133 --> 00:34:03,120 It's like a combination of both. Hmm. 545 00:34:03,121 --> 00:34:06,088 And she does not like people here. 546 00:34:06,089 --> 00:34:07,407 Hates it. 547 00:34:07,408 --> 00:34:10,136 Even though she hated the place herself? 548 00:34:10,137 --> 00:34:10,915 Well, yeah. 549 00:34:10,916 --> 00:34:15,356 Anything she thought she owned, she owns. 550 00:34:15,411 --> 00:34:18,310 This was her space. 551 00:34:18,311 --> 00:34:20,935 This woman may have hated this place in life, 552 00:34:20,936 --> 00:34:23,625 but I'm not surprised she came back here in death. 553 00:34:23,626 --> 00:34:25,798 The dead often come back to the locations 554 00:34:25,799 --> 00:34:28,683 that had the most meaning in their lives. 555 00:34:28,684 --> 00:34:31,397 So when.. If Debbie comes in with a tour with somebody like Valerie, 556 00:34:31,398 --> 00:34:32,917 I mean, she doesn't like that. 557 00:34:32,918 --> 00:34:34,718 No. 558 00:34:36,744 --> 00:34:39,095 Amy, what else did you see? 559 00:34:39,096 --> 00:34:40,405 A young girl. 560 00:34:40,406 --> 00:34:44,192 She is very ill, but she doesn't look it. 561 00:34:44,193 --> 00:34:46,833 And she likes.. 562 00:34:47,785 --> 00:34:50,785 To freak people out. 563 00:34:50,980 --> 00:34:53,276 She likes to get on the beds.. 564 00:34:53,277 --> 00:34:55,474 And, um, jump on things. 565 00:34:55,475 --> 00:34:59,195 So, yeah, she's pretty active. 566 00:35:00,425 --> 00:35:02,918 Debbie actually had some.. 567 00:35:02,919 --> 00:35:04,426 What would you call it, a test? 568 00:35:04,427 --> 00:35:05,375 We just asked her.. 569 00:35:05,376 --> 00:35:07,609 "Can you do something to let us know that you're here?" 570 00:35:07,610 --> 00:35:10,190 And.. She did. 571 00:35:10,363 --> 00:35:13,294 You know, she closed the toy box lid and.. 572 00:35:13,295 --> 00:35:16,377 Made the blanket move, and it was like, "yeah, here I am." 573 00:35:16,378 --> 00:35:17,685 Wow. 574 00:35:17,686 --> 00:35:20,587 You saw the girl that obviously Amy knows is here. 575 00:35:20,588 --> 00:35:22,094 Uh, how does that make you feel? 576 00:35:22,095 --> 00:35:24,924 I.. I think the way that you explained it, Amy, 577 00:35:24,925 --> 00:35:30,355 when you described her, that's the feeling that I get when I'm up there. 578 00:35:30,356 --> 00:35:34,321 Louise Mackay, she was a widow whose husband had died. 579 00:35:34,322 --> 00:35:35,613 He was a Doctor. 580 00:35:35,614 --> 00:35:37,374 But they had a young girl, a daughter. 581 00:35:37,375 --> 00:35:38,282 Oh. 582 00:35:38,283 --> 00:35:41,529 And the daughter had braces on her legs. 583 00:35:41,530 --> 00:35:45,610 John Mackay adopted her as his own. 584 00:35:51,583 --> 00:35:54,572 So did you see this girl's face? 585 00:35:54,573 --> 00:35:57,728 No. She wouldn't let me. 586 00:35:57,729 --> 00:36:01,199 I hate not knowing if Mackay's stepdaughter is this little girl, 587 00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:06,167 but at least I know she's not the one terrorizing people around here. 588 00:36:06,168 --> 00:36:10,177 The other thing that I saw was, uh.. 589 00:36:10,178 --> 00:36:13,718 This really tall, dark mass. 590 00:36:13,817 --> 00:36:17,891 And it was definitely masculine energy. 591 00:36:17,892 --> 00:36:20,563 And this individual 592 00:36:20,564 --> 00:36:23,503 really likes to scare people. 593 00:36:23,504 --> 00:36:29,374 Like, to other people, he looks very ominous and very scary. 594 00:36:29,375 --> 00:36:31,235 Wow. 595 00:36:32,161 --> 00:36:33,907 Ooh. 596 00:36:33,908 --> 00:36:35,828 What? 597 00:36:38,266 --> 00:36:41,146 Are you all right? 598 00:36:53,205 --> 00:36:55,697 The other thing that I saw was 599 00:36:55,698 --> 00:36:59,238 this really tall, dark mass. 600 00:37:00,357 --> 00:37:02,689 He looks very ominous. 601 00:37:02,690 --> 00:37:05,330 And very scary. 602 00:37:07,618 --> 00:37:10,498 Are you all right? 603 00:37:16,025 --> 00:37:18,305 Okay, so.. 604 00:37:19,532 --> 00:37:21,410 At the tour.. 605 00:37:21,411 --> 00:37:23,463 All of a sudden.. 606 00:37:23,464 --> 00:37:27,484 This tall, dark, shadow man figure. 607 00:37:28,528 --> 00:37:32,010 Walks right between us. And.. 608 00:37:32,011 --> 00:37:33,922 He stops. 609 00:37:33,923 --> 00:37:39,823 Turns around and looks straight at me with these evil-looking, glowing eyes. 610 00:37:39,929 --> 00:37:42,389 And he was.. 611 00:37:42,517 --> 00:37:44,569 So angry. 612 00:37:44,570 --> 00:37:47,417 I literally dropped down to my knees.. 613 00:37:47,418 --> 00:37:50,026 And started bawling my eyes out. 614 00:37:50,027 --> 00:37:53,332 After that, two.. For two weeks, every single night.. 615 00:37:53,333 --> 00:37:55,956 I had nightmares of him. 616 00:37:55,957 --> 00:37:59,497 I had his face in my head. 617 00:38:00,982 --> 00:38:03,336 Now Debby's seen this thing also. 618 00:38:03,337 --> 00:38:06,501 You could feel.. Feel it in the pit of your stomach. 619 00:38:06,502 --> 00:38:08,069 You know, his presence. 620 00:38:08,070 --> 00:38:10,735 And it.. It was terrifying. 621 00:38:10,736 --> 00:38:15,029 And it's always that feeling of dread, the feeling of "you need to get away" 622 00:38:15,030 --> 00:38:19,470 "from wherever he is and away from him." 623 00:38:25,628 --> 00:38:28,235 Both of you have seen the results of the investigation. 624 00:38:28,236 --> 00:38:30,444 And heard about Amy's walk. 625 00:38:30,445 --> 00:38:33,003 The reason you called us in is because you wanna know 626 00:38:33,004 --> 00:38:36,649 if it's safe or not to be here or.. Or what it is. 627 00:38:36,650 --> 00:38:38,512 I can't answer that. Only Amy can. 628 00:38:38,513 --> 00:38:42,113 So, Amy, if you can, please. 629 00:38:44,564 --> 00:38:49,784 The man that you saw in the yard cannot hurt you. 630 00:38:51,218 --> 00:38:54,818 He's just a practical joker. 631 00:38:57,730 --> 00:39:00,996 So I think the best way to approach this.. 632 00:39:00,997 --> 00:39:03,796 Is not to fall for it. 633 00:39:03,797 --> 00:39:07,697 Because he thinks it's hilarious. 634 00:39:08,992 --> 00:39:11,163 So basically.. 635 00:39:11,164 --> 00:39:13,703 Don't feed into it and he'll.. 636 00:39:13,704 --> 00:39:16,164 Wander about. 637 00:39:16,165 --> 00:39:19,755 But there are two other issues that do need to be dealt with. 638 00:39:19,756 --> 00:39:22,516 And one is the.. 639 00:39:22,661 --> 00:39:24,152 The girl. 640 00:39:24,153 --> 00:39:26,948 Um, she should not be here. 641 00:39:26,949 --> 00:39:29,949 She needs to go on. 642 00:39:30,351 --> 00:39:33,296 I hate seeing dead children stuck in a location. 643 00:39:33,297 --> 00:39:37,551 This little girl needs to move on to a better place. 644 00:39:37,552 --> 00:39:43,036 The best way for her to do that would be for another medium to come in.. 645 00:39:43,037 --> 00:39:44,428 To talk to her. 646 00:39:44,429 --> 00:39:48,869 And hopefully, for the medium to, um c.. 647 00:39:50,337 --> 00:39:56,237 Counsel her into seeing that it's better if she completely goes. 648 00:39:56,872 --> 00:40:00,558 Unfortunately, I can't do it because it does take a few days. 649 00:40:00,559 --> 00:40:03,977 But I can definitely interview anybody that you find 650 00:40:03,978 --> 00:40:06,767 that you feel comfortable with. 651 00:40:06,768 --> 00:40:10,968 Um, and then the other one is this.. 652 00:40:11,292 --> 00:40:13,632 Nasty lady. 653 00:40:14,219 --> 00:40:17,695 She just does not need to be here. 654 00:40:17,696 --> 00:40:23,336 The only problem is, that would have to be done by an.. 655 00:40:23,448 --> 00:40:26,208 Through exorcism.. 656 00:40:27,995 --> 00:40:31,802 Which is something I very, very rarely recommend. 657 00:40:31,803 --> 00:40:34,766 You know, Amy, I never even heard you say that word before. 658 00:40:34,767 --> 00:40:36,634 She does need to leave. 659 00:40:36,635 --> 00:40:39,142 This isn't her domain. 660 00:40:39,143 --> 00:40:41,451 And she doesn't need to be bothering people. 661 00:40:41,452 --> 00:40:46,365 But it needs to be done by someone who will make sure that she.. 662 00:40:46,366 --> 00:40:49,034 Moves on not out. 663 00:40:49,035 --> 00:40:53,115 - Yeah. - There's a big difference. 664 00:40:53,858 --> 00:40:57,007 Most people think only demons need to be exorcised. 665 00:40:57,008 --> 00:41:00,775 But in some extreme cases, dead people can become so powerful, 666 00:41:00,776 --> 00:41:03,834 it's the only way to drive them out of a location. 667 00:41:03,835 --> 00:41:05,001 Let me ask you a question, though. 668 00:41:05,002 --> 00:41:06,985 Are you gonna listen to what Amy says, and what to do? 669 00:41:06,986 --> 00:41:09,750 Absolutely. I mean, I.. I feel empowered now. 670 00:41:09,751 --> 00:41:11,425 - Good. - It's not something that I have 671 00:41:11,426 --> 00:41:13,261 to run away from and fear.. 672 00:41:13,262 --> 00:41:14,071 - Mm-hmm. - And that 673 00:41:14,072 --> 00:41:17,232 gives me the power to not be afraid. 674 00:41:17,233 --> 00:41:18,926 What about you, Valerie? How do you feel? 675 00:41:18,927 --> 00:41:22,083 I was terrified because I thought that he was evil. 676 00:41:22,084 --> 00:41:24,844 But now I feel.. 677 00:41:25,959 --> 00:41:27,248 100 times better. 678 00:41:27,249 --> 00:41:28,355 Alright, good. 679 00:41:28,356 --> 00:41:30,276 Good. 680 00:41:30,900 --> 00:41:33,325 I almost never recommend an exorcism. 681 00:41:33,326 --> 00:41:35,365 But this woman's energy is so negative, 682 00:41:35,366 --> 00:41:40,314 there might never be peace in this house until they get rid of her. 683 00:41:42,057 --> 00:41:45,777 Subs created by: David Coleman. 684 00:41:45,827 --> 00:41:50,377 Repair and Synchronization by Easy Subtitles Synchronizer 1.0.0.0